[HrntFixr]

To all the "Rivet counting" "Flight Model bashing" "never been in a military aircraft" wanna be's out there..........

Your gonna run out some really great modders!!!!! All the piddly little bulls**t about "this isn't right" or the ever popular
"it dosen't feel like it should" is getting ridiculous! It's a great open flight sim with a multitude of talented people who are , quite frankly, tired of the crap!

You read a book or an article on the web and BINGO your an expert.... WTF? I've been around and/or worked on
aircraft over half my life and I still wouldn't dream of bashing someone else's hard work. Especially if I can't do a better
job.

Same thing goes for the "gimme, gimme's" out there. You want it???? Get the program's needed , learn the art and make the dam thing yourself!!!!!!!!!

[RANT OFF]

[column5]

I think this is always going to be a problem. There will always be people mroe interested in nitpicking than enjoying the game. My personal rule is that any work I do for the game is designed to make ME happy. If other people download it and enjoy it then that is a positive secondary benefit, but I'm not doing it for anyone else's approval or acceptance. If it makes me happy, its right.

[Sundowner]

Well said both of you.

[JSF_Aggie]

column5, on Nov 23 2007, 09:41 AM, said:

I think this is always going to be a problem. There will always be people mroe interested in nitpicking than enjoying the game. My personal rule is that any work I do for the game is designed to make ME happy. If other people download it and enjoy it then that is a positive secondary benefit, but I'm not doing it for anyone else's approval or acceptance. If it makes me happy, its right.

Agreed. It'll die down for awhile now, but it will always come back again.

Just ignore it, and do what makes you happy. Don't let it take away from your own enjoyment.

[Stary]

column5, on Nov 23 2007, 06:41 PM, said:

I think this is always going to be a problem. There will always be people mroe interested in nitpicking than enjoying the game. My personal rule is that any work I do for the game is designed to make ME happy. If other people download it and enjoy it then that is a positive secondary benefit, but I'm not doing it for anyone else's approval or acceptance. If it makes me happy, its right.

C5, couldn't say it better :ok:

[column5]

As a corollary, the quality of a person's work does indicate some things about them. If a person accepts crap in one facet of their life, what about the others? Just something to think about.

[Julhelm]

The thing that gets to me is how the gimmegimmies always use lameass excuses like "sob sob sniff but I can't afford max boohoo sniff sniff" every time you tell them to go do it themselves. What this really means is that even though obtaining the tools can be done for free at the touch of a button they're simply too lazy to even bother because it means they'd actually have to learn something and put in a little effort.

[EricJ]

Just a counterpoint, 3DSMax isn't something you can buy right off the street and for a cheap price. I mean seriuosly, not many people can shell out a few thousand to get the latest 3D software.. Yes there are torrents, limited use copies (which by the way lasts for a month, so little time to learn what so many already do), but that's of dubiousness in itself, so it's not a valid complaint. However, you can save up, since the average burger flipper makes more than me anyways, so he or she would take a few months, wheareas I'd have to deploy and get shot at, blown up or severely injured to get the kind of money the average worker gets (hell my Mom is going to get $12.50 an hour for pushing pens!), or save for a few years, and by then, it'd still be too expensive. So yah it's all good, but remember sometimes most of the gamers can't also get a job because they're usually under 18.

[column5]

Flanker562, on Nov 23 2007, 10:54 AM, said:

Just a counterpoint, 3DSMax isn't something you can buy right off the street and for a cheap price. I mean seriuosly, not many people can shell out a few thousand to get the latest 3D software.. Yes there are torrents, limited use copies (which by the way lasts for a month, so little time to learn what so many already do), but that's of dubiousness in itself, so it's not a valid complaint. However, you can save up, since the average burger flipper makes more than me anyways, so he or she would take a few months, wheareas I'd have to deploy and get shot at, blown up or severely injured to get the kind of money the average worker gets, or save for a few years, and by then, it'd still be too expensive. Hell I got Adobe Photoshop free and still look for free alternatives to buying, but sometimes you don't have time to do texture work even, which is my forte anyways, and hell sometimes I don't want to do it. But be as it may, I don't like the gimme gimmes either because I have other things going on.

True, but you don't have to have max to make a model for SF. All of Flying Toaster's models for example are done in Blender and then exported to max, where bpao does the final work on them before they are released.

I agree though that the weakest link in TKs plan to create the ultimate open sim is that his exporter is only available for one of the most expensive 3D programs out there.

[Piloto]

Good Post! :ok:



BTW 10% warn for "stirring the pot" !!! :rofl:

[Gunrunner]

<MoronMode>
Come on modders, get back to work, less ranting, more releasing, the planes won't make themselves you know...
</MoronMode>

I think the modders should also realise that most whiners are only kids, with a different vision of the process; most can't understand the fact they COULD do it (if only they cared to learn to) and that modders don't have as much free time as they do themselves, that they have lives, jobs, wives, kids and are not some sort of demi-gods with unlimited free-time and a life dedicated to answering the prayers of others.
Also, they don't have a clue to what constitutes an informed and constructive criticism and what is just obnoxious and annoying whining.

[Silverbolt]

Agree with C5 and Flanker :smile:
btw i was very lucky to found my 3ds max 7 copy in a sold-off from a broken store
but i have big problem to mod xDD

This post has been edited by Silverbolt: 23 November 2007 - 11:16 AM

[Jarhead1]

But they are also old enough to know that people bust their a**es to build these awesome mods and then bi**h about them when something is a c**t hair off or they think its off. Thats BULLS**T, hands down in my opinion. I want to learn to mod but i dont have the tools. I dont go b**ch about freeware mods that people take time out of their busy lives to make for themselves and everyone else to enjoy. Thats just my opinion. I dont know enough about a/c or work with them enough like usafmtl, or hrntfixr or fastcargo, and typhoid. BUT i dont go critisize others work either. Again, thats just MY opinion.

[Julhelm]

The point I'm trying to make is that Max being expensive isn't a valid excuse on it's own, since there's nothing stopping anyone from petitioning TK about writing an exporter for a free alternative like Blender.

[Gunrunner]

Jarhead1>
That's easy to say when you know better, but we've all been annoying brats at least once.
I'm not trying to find an excuse for them, just getting things back into context, what is inadmissible from grown men can be understood from kids (you just have to explain), getting the community into such a state of emotional and existential turmoil because of a few ingrate kids is a little disproportionate, event though it's easily understood.
At least we're not in a situation where modders are throwing mud at each other any more, and hopefully we won't be seeing that again.

[Jarhead1]

Dont get me wrong, I am not trying to pour gas into the fire, I was just throwing in my 2 cents

[Piloto]

Gunrunner, on Nov 23 2007, 05:47 PM, said:

Jarhead1>
That's easy to say when you know better, but we've all been annoying brats at least once.
I'm not trying to find an excuse for them, just getting things back into context, what is inadmissible from grown men can be understood from kids (you just have to explain), getting the community into such a state of emotional and existential turmoil because of a few ingrate kids is a little disproportionate, event though it's easily understood.
At least we're not in a situation where modders are throwing mud at each other any more, and hopefully we won't be seeing that again.

Nice point! Children see, children do.

Its not a nice attitude to be a gimmegimme but its even worse to threat and menace to quit working or not "supply" new models into the community because of that.

[DaveJS]

And you can see why YAP and Prowler are payware. Might as well get paid for their time. I mean hell a few of us could do that. Might bring that up to the Mirage Factory. Then at least when people whine we have their money.....then they can whine since they bought it.

[DaveJS]

Piloto, on Nov 23 2007, 11:53 AM, said:

its even worse to threat and menace to quit working or not "supply" new models into the community because of that.

Not hardly, not even close. People have their limits man. And its has gotten to a point with some modders.

[Jarhead1]

:shok: Those words, can they be????? :ohmy: